Discussion:
[e-users] EFL/trunk - missing EConnMan module
Chris Jones
2013-01-05 21:29:32 UTC
Permalink
I just borked a clean recent vanilla kubuntu (quantal?) system like s=
o:

| % add-apt-repository ppa:efl/trunk
| % apt-get update
| % apt-get upgrade
| % apt-get install e17

I logged out of my KDE/Plasma session, selected enlightenment from th=
e
lightdm menu, logged back in, and ran the e17 wizard making no change=
s
to the defaults.

That's where I noticed that I was missing my laptop's Wifi led.

I wasn't expecting a notification, so I thought that this was just
a matter of manually configuring the ConnMan (?) applet. So, I clicke=
d
on the icon in the Shelf, checked 'Wifi On', clicked 'Configure'...

This caused a popup to be displayed with an ominous-looking exclamati=
on
mark in a triangle, and the following error message:

| This module wants to execute an external application eConnMan that=
=20
| does not exist. Please install EConnMan application."

So, if the message really means what it says, it looks like whatever
package should have installed EConnMan ('ConnMan' prefixed with an 'E=
')
is missing.. 'optional', perhaps.. not pulled when I installed e17..?=
=20

The KDE wifi stuff (network manager, I believe) having been removed b=
y
the e17 install and since I only have wifi internet at this point, I =
am
stuck. I cannot just reinstall network manager and start over.

Any suggestions how I could work around this..?

If I understand the problem correctly (?), I was thinking I might get
away with manually downloading the missing .deb(s) from the repos at
launchpad.net/efl and (re)installing via =E2=80=98dpkg -i=E2=80=99.

Keeping in mind I am not too worried about the long-term integrity of
the apt environment on this particular system, is there any chance th=
at
this might work without wasting too much time over it..?

The question is what package(s).. Just the one that has EConnMan.. ot=
her
packages on top of that.. all the e17 packages for my ubuntu release.=
.?

Incidentally, in the event I eventually manage to get this to work un=
der
e17, how am I supposed to switch between Plasma/KDE (or any other
desktop/wm) and e17 thereafter..? Not by installing, removing,
reinstalling.. network manager and ConnMan every time I log in and ou=
t,
surely..? Once my wifi connection is up again, should I just forget
about the applets and set up wicd..?

While I'm at it, here are a couple of other problems I've run into:

1. The 'applications' menu is empty - hence I cannot even as much as
launch an xterm (worked around that by creating a Favorites menu w=
ith
Uxterm + a couple of other things)..=20
=20
2. The 'navigate' menu appears to be populated by entries with the na=
mes
of a bunch of well-known screensavers.. antmaze, antinspect, etc.
Hum.. Maybe I did screw up when running the wizard after all ;-)

3. I can no longer Ctrl+Alt+Fx to fall back to a linux console.. All
I=C2=A0get is a black screen. I=C2=A0have to log out and use ligh=
tdm's 'log to
console' option. This doesn't happen with plasma/KDE. I'm running
a framebuffer console and the nvidia proprietary blob-=E2=80=94rat=
her than
nouveau.

4. KDE applications such as Konsole, calibre, etc. appear to crash at
startup. I didn't bother writing down any of the numerous cryptic
messages & investigating at this point..

Likely most of these other symptoms are unrelated to the wifi issue, =
but
then again they might provide a clue..

But apart from the system being unusable at this point, everything el=
se
looks good to me..!!

A quick note about where I'm coming from. I have been keeping an eye =
on
e16/e17 for close to 12 years, and recently contemplating a switch fr=
om
my ageing Window Maker to enlightenment but I'd rather have a 'real
system' running off of my HD (eventually stock debian rather than one=
of
the ubuntu's, mint's, bhodi's..). I am not interested in running Eliv=
e
either at this point. No rush in any case and this approach should ma=
ke
it easier to make up my mind when the time comes..

Sorry for the long-winded post and tia for any suggestions.

Thanks,

CJ
Martin Koelewijn
2013-01-05 22:07:15 UTC
Permalink
Hi,

maybe you have your old packages in /var/cache/apt, so you can
reinstall networkmanager? I don't see why e would conflict with that,
but at least you'd have internet access. Wicd is fine too, if that's a
solution to have both e and wifi.
Also, not sure if elive is still alive, but bodhi is a good option (and
ubuntu based, so no surprises there).
I suck at debugging from a distance, so I won't bother with your other
issues. Oh, and if you can post on the mailing list, you also can
download debs directly and install those, right? Check
packages.ubuntu.com.
If I'm not mistaken econnman needs both connman (obviously) and the
python-bindings for efl.

Martin

On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 16:29:32 -0500
Post by Chris Jones
I just borked a clean recent vanilla kubuntu (quantal?) system like
| % add-apt-repository ppa:efl/trunk
| % apt-get update
| % apt-get upgrade
| % apt-get install e17
I logged out of my KDE/Plasma session, selected enlightenment from the
lightdm menu, logged back in, and ran the e17 wizard making no changes
to the defaults.
That's where I noticed that I was missing my laptop's Wifi led.
I wasn't expecting a notification, so I thought that this was just
a matter of manually configuring the ConnMan (?) applet. So, I clicked
on the icon in the Shelf, checked 'Wifi On', clicked 'Configure'...
This caused a popup to be displayed with an ominous-looking
| This module wants to execute an external application eConnMan that
| does not exist. Please install EConnMan application."
So, if the message really means what it says, it looks like whatever
package should have installed EConnMan ('ConnMan' prefixed with an
'E') is missing.. 'optional', perhaps.. not pulled when I installed
e17..?
The KDE wifi stuff (network manager, I believe) having been removed by
the e17 install and since I only have wifi internet at this point, I
am stuck. I cannot just reinstall network manager and start over.
Any suggestions how I could work around this..?
If I understand the problem correctly (?), I was thinking I might get
away with manually downloading the missing .deb(s) from the repos at
launchpad.net/efl and (re)installing via ‘dpkg -i’.
Keeping in mind I am not too worried about the long-term integrity of
the apt environment on this particular system, is there any chance
that this might work without wasting too much time over it..?
The question is what package(s).. Just the one that has EConnMan..
other packages on top of that.. all the e17 packages for my ubuntu
release..?
Incidentally, in the event I eventually manage to get this to work
under e17, how am I supposed to switch between Plasma/KDE (or any
other desktop/wm) and e17 thereafter..? Not by installing, removing,
reinstalling.. network manager and ConnMan every time I log in and
out, surely..? Once my wifi connection is up again, should I just
forget about the applets and set up wicd..?
1. The 'applications' menu is empty - hence I cannot even as much as
launch an xterm (worked around that by creating a Favorites menu
with Uxterm + a couple of other things)..
2. The 'navigate' menu appears to be populated by entries with the
names of a bunch of well-known screensavers.. antmaze, antinspect,
etc. Hum.. Maybe I did screw up when running the wizard after all ;-)
3. I can no longer Ctrl+Alt+Fx to fall back to a linux console.. All
I get is a black screen. I have to log out and use lightdm's 'log
to console' option. This doesn't happen with plasma/KDE. I'm running
a framebuffer console and the nvidia proprietary blob-—rather than
nouveau.
4. KDE applications such as Konsole, calibre, etc. appear to crash at
startup. I didn't bother writing down any of the numerous cryptic
messages & investigating at this point..
Likely most of these other symptoms are unrelated to the wifi issue,
but then again they might provide a clue..
But apart from the system being unusable at this point, everything
else looks good to me..!!
A quick note about where I'm coming from. I have been keeping an eye
on e16/e17 for close to 12 years, and recently contemplating a switch
from my ageing Window Maker to enlightenment but I'd rather have a
'real system' running off of my HD (eventually stock debian rather
than one of the ubuntu's, mint's, bhodi's..). I am not interested in
running Elive either at this point. No rush in any case and this
approach should make it easier to make up my mind when the time
comes..
Sorry for the long-winded post and tia for any suggestions.
Thanks,
CJ
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Dale Snell
2013-01-06 06:37:13 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 16:29:32 -0500
Post by Chris Jones
I just borked a clean recent vanilla kubuntu (quantal?) system like
| % add-apt-repository ppa:efl/trunk
| % apt-get update
| % apt-get upgrade
| % apt-get install e17
I logged out of my KDE/Plasma session, selected enlightenment from the
lightdm menu, logged back in, and ran the e17 wizard making no changes
to the defaults.
That's where I noticed that I was missing my laptop's Wifi led.
I wasn't expecting a notification, so I thought that this was just
a matter of manually configuring the ConnMan (?) applet. So, I clicked
on the icon in the Shelf, checked 'Wifi On', clicked 'Configure'...
This caused a popup to be displayed with an ominous-looking
| This module wants to execute an external application eConnMan that
| does not exist. Please install EConnMan application."
So, if the message really means what it says, it looks like whatever
package should have installed EConnMan ('ConnMan' prefixed with an
'E') is missing.. 'optional', perhaps.. not pulled when I installed
e17..?
The KDE wifi stuff (network manager, I believe) having been removed by
the e17 install and since I only have wifi internet at this point, I
am stuck. I cannot just reinstall network manager and start over.
Any suggestions how I could work around this..?
I know very little about *buntu/Debian, being a Fedora user, but I
can tell you that NetworkManager works just fine with E. Like
you, when I tried to configure ConnMan, I got the warning message
about needing EConnMan. So I have ConnMan disabled, and I use NM.
It requires that the systray module be loaded, but that's not a
problem.

The rest of your troubles makes me think that the Kubuntu
packaging for E got hosed somehow. Can you compile E17 and the
EFL yourself? I compile the EFL and E17 snapshots here, and
things generally work quite well. I didn't have to disable
anything in my normal Fedora installation to get E17 to work. I
can switch between E17, E16, or XFCE with no trouble. There's a
drop-down menu in the gdm screen that allows me to choose the
WM/DE that I want to run.
Post by Chris Jones
If I understand the problem correctly (?), I was thinking I might get
away with manually downloading the missing .deb(s) from the repos at
launchpad.net/efl and (re)installing via ‘dpkg -i’.
Actually, dpkg/apt should be able to resolve the dependencies for
NetworkManager, and install them for you. But again, I'm not
really familiar with those tools, so I could be wrong.

Anyway, that's all I've got. I hope it helps.

--Dale

--
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("The world wishes to be deceived, so let it be deceived.")
Mark Bidewell
2013-01-06 16:24:44 UTC
Permalink
I attempted to install e on kubuntu and ran into networkmanager issues
related to dbus. Working from a standard ubuntu base seems to work better
Post by Martin Koelewijn
On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 16:29:32 -0500
Post by Chris Jones
I just borked a clean recent vanilla kubuntu (quantal?) system like
| % add-apt-repository ppa:efl/trunk
| % apt-get update
| % apt-get upgrade
| % apt-get install e17
I logged out of my KDE/Plasma session, selected enlightenment from the
lightdm menu, logged back in, and ran the e17 wizard making no changes
to the defaults.
That's where I noticed that I was missing my laptop's Wifi led.
I wasn't expecting a notification, so I thought that this was just
a matter of manually configuring the ConnMan (?) applet. So, I clicked
on the icon in the Shelf, checked 'Wifi On', clicked 'Configure'...
This caused a popup to be displayed with an ominous-looking
| This module wants to execute an external application eConnMan that
| does not exist. Please install EConnMan application."
So, if the message really means what it says, it looks like whatever
package should have installed EConnMan ('ConnMan' prefixed with an
'E') is missing.. 'optional', perhaps.. not pulled when I installed
e17..?
The KDE wifi stuff (network manager, I believe) having been removed by
the e17 install and since I only have wifi internet at this point, I
am stuck. I cannot just reinstall network manager and start over.
Any suggestions how I could work around this..?
I know very little about *buntu/Debian, being a Fedora user, but I
can tell you that NetworkManager works just fine with E. Like
you, when I tried to configure ConnMan, I got the warning message
about needing EConnMan. So I have ConnMan disabled, and I use NM.
It requires that the systray module be loaded, but that's not a
problem.
The rest of your troubles makes me think that the Kubuntu
packaging for E got hosed somehow. Can you compile E17 and the
EFL yourself? I compile the EFL and E17 snapshots here, and
things generally work quite well. I didn't have to disable
anything in my normal Fedora installation to get E17 to work. I
can switch between E17, E16, or XFCE with no trouble. There's a
drop-down menu in the gdm screen that allows me to choose the
WM/DE that I want to run.
Post by Chris Jones
If I understand the problem correctly (?), I was thinking I might get
away with manually downloading the missing .deb(s) from the repos at
launchpad.net/efl and (re)installing via ‘dpkg -i’.
Actually, dpkg/apt should be able to resolve the dependencies for
NetworkManager, and install them for you. But again, I'm not
really familiar with those tools, so I could be wrong.
Anyway, that's all I've got. I hope it helps.
--Dale
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Chris Jones
2013-01-08 10:15:50 UTC
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On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 10:24:28AM EST, Anthony Hugh wrote:

Sorry gentlemen.. as =E2=80=98luck=E2=80=99 would have it I got dragg=
ed into something
else with no time to carry on with my testing.

I hope to be able to add to this by the end of the week.

Thanks much for your help..!

CJ

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